美方代表向英方咆哮5小时要求围剿华为，赵立坚：耸人听闻，可以拍个电影

来源：融媒体采编平台作者：马铮日期: 2022-08-30

近日，英国媒体《星期日泰晤士报》刊文，援引英国前国家网络安全中心负责人和英国情报官员的消息，曝光了英国政府此前评估华为“安全性”时的一幕。

《星期日泰晤士报》网站：

5G战争：美国谋划让英国抛弃华为

其中写道：英国的情报安全组织政府通讯总部（GCHQ）曾表示，有信心可以和华为“安全共事”。然而美方官员却不这样认为，在一次内阁办公室的会议上，后者“咆哮了五小时”。

英情报官员：美国代表咆哮了五小时

报道称，当时，根据GCHQ中负责情报和信息评估小组领导马丁的建议，英国决定和华为进行接触。就在2019年5月，白宫代表团来到伦敦，执行一项“干扰政策的任务”，目的在于反对英国允许华为有限度的参与建造5G网络。而当双方会面后，美方代表就开始了对马丁和时任英国国防顾问亚历山德里在内的多位英方高级官员的咆哮，时间长达5小时。

Britain was determined to engage with Huawei based on a recommendation made by Ciaran Martin, whose team at GCHQ had made detailed intelligence and technology assessments. A White House delegation arrived in London in May 2019 on a policy-disruption mission. Their brief was to oppose a British plan that would allow Huawei limited access to help build the country’s next-generation 5G cellular data network. Within minutes of the delegation’s arrival at the Cabinet Office, Martin and other senior officials, including the deputy national security adviser, Madeleine Alessandri, were effectively shouted at by one of their guests for five hours.

马丁资料图。图源：GCHQ

报道称，那位“咆哮的来宾”名叫马修·波廷杰，此前是美国海军陆战队的情报官员，2017年空降白宫，成为负责亚洲事务的国家安全顾问主任。

That guest was Matthew Pottinger, a former US Marines intelligence officer parachuted into the White House in early 2017 to become the National Security Council’s director on Asia.

马丁回忆称：

英国愿意同美国一道，“遏制中国雄心”。但问题在于，从英国的角度看，华为有限度的参与到英国5G网络建设，在更大的战略挑战层面上，还不是最重要的事，然而美方却只对这个问题感兴趣，英国表示无法理解。

“We were keen to work with the US to counter [China’s strategic] ambitions,” Martin recalled. “The problem was, on our side, we didn’t think Huawei’s limited involvement in UK 5G was the most important thing in a much wider strategic challenge — whereas the US were only interested in that part of the problem, for reasons we couldn’t fathom.”

另一位与会的英方情报官员表示：

波廷杰只是大喊大叫，并且对于英方的分析完全不感兴趣。他按照预设好的、愤怒、诡异却毫无威胁的剧本咆哮了五小时。我们尝试讨论政策，但是波廷杰并不关心。我们甚至表态并不抗拒中国有威胁这一分析，并且阐释我们的技术细节，但是美国官员不感兴趣。波廷杰就是不断重复令人讨厌的行为。

A British intelligence official who was at the meeting said: “Pottinger just shouted and was entirely uninterested in the UK’s analysis. It was five hours of shouting with a prepared, angry and weirdly non-threatening script. We tried to offer a policy discussion but Pottinger didn’t care. We even said that we didn’t contest the analysis of the Chinese threat and explained our technicalities, but the US officials weren’t interested in that. Pottinger was continuously and repeatedly obnoxious.”

2020年7月，时任英国数字化、文化、媒体和体育大臣的奥利弗·道登（Oliver Dowden）曾在英国议会下院宣布了英国政府的决定——英国通讯运营商自当年12月31日起禁止购买华为5G新设备；在2027年之前移除5G网络中的所有华为设备。

另据欧洲媒体Euractiv报道，今年1月10日，曾在卡梅伦政府时期担任英国商务大臣的凯布尔在一次活动的发言时表示，英国政府对抗华为的决定是因为“美国人告诉我们应该这么做”。与英国首相鲍里斯·约翰逊政府所声称的相反，凯布尔称，英国国家网络安全中心(NCSC)提供的证据表明，封杀华为这一决定“与国家安全无关”。

赵立坚：耸人听闻，可以拍一个电影

8月29日，外交部发言人赵立坚主持例行记者会。

有记者就此事提问：

近日，英国《泰晤士报》刊文，援引英国前国家网络安全中心负责人和英国情报官员的消息，证实了英国政府在2019年认定华为不构成国家安全威胁、愿同华为开展合作后，美国派出总统国家安全委员会亚洲事务主任赴英，在没有任何技术论据来否定英方评估的情况下，向英方代表咆哮5个小时，强行要求英国参与围剿华为。中方对此有何评论？

赵立坚：我注意到有关报道。这简直是耸人听闻，可以拍一个电影。英国媒体披露的事实再次表明，美国胁迫英国放弃华为，完全是出于打压中国高科技企业的政治操弄，所谓“国家安全”“5G技术风险”不过是美国掩盖自身阴险图谋的幌子。

I have noted the article. This is simply shocking and like a story for a movie. What has been revealed by the British media is further proof that the US’s coercion of the UK into giving up Huawei is all part of the political manipulation aimed at suppressing Chinese hi-tech companies. The so-called “national security” and “5G technology risks” are merely pretexts used by the US to mask its sinister intention.

我还注意到，这篇文章指出，英国政府禁用华为的决定使英国自身蒙受了巨大损失，英国5G技术建设要推迟3年，而且到2027年从英国网络中移除所有华为 5G设备至少需要花费20亿英镑。到底是谁在为美国的自私霸道买单，地球人都知道。

I also noted that the article points out that the UK government’s decision to ban Huawei comes at a huge cost as it would delay the country’s 5G rollout by three years and cost it at least £2 billion to remove all Huawei 5G equipment from its networks by 2027. I believe the world can see clearly who is actually footing the bill for the US’s selfishness and bullying tactics.

上述事实再次表明，美国此举是泛化和滥用国家安全概念，把技术问题政治化，这种做法不得人心。美国兜售的所谓“清洁网络”不过是打压异己的“肮脏网络”。在美国的利益盘算面前，即使像英国这样亲密的盟友也会遭到胁迫和霸凌。国际社会应更加看清美国的虚伪面目和虚假叙事。

These facts show once again that the US’s move to stretch and abuse the concept of national security and politicize technological issues is deeply unpopular. The so-called “clean network” peddled by the US is really a “dirty network” designed to repress anyone who disagrees with them. If the US’s self-serving calculations so dictate, even a close ally like the UK can be subject to coercion and bullying. The international community should see clearer the US’s hypocrisy behind all its false narratives.